Data Base Stat Changes

[Toast++]

As many of you are probably becoming aware of, base stats for some old Pokemon have changed. Checking all of these old Pokemon is going to take a lot of time for the stats team. If you find a Pokemon with different base stats, please report it here and we will do what we can to get it figured out. Thanks.


Exact Increases Known
Butterfree (SpAtk = 90)
Beedrill (Atk = 90)
Pikachu (Def = 40 / SpDef = 50)
Raichu (Spe = 110)
Wigglytuff (SpAtk = 85)
Alakazam (SpDef = 95)
Azumarill (SpA = 60)
Scolipede (Atk = 100)

Reported/Potential
Clefable
Ampharos
Swalot
Roserade
Exploud


The following list has been brought up for consideration but ruled unlikely

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Lapras
Heracross
Chatot
Jumpluff

 

[kd24]

Do you want us posting in this thread if we can confirm a Pokemon's BST doesn't change, saving time for people searching? It would be time consuming but we have so many researchers here now that I think it could be done without anyone having to strain themselves finding out.

 

[Toast++]

The only issue I have with that is that stats can appear the same given the right IV combination.
For example, a stat increase of 10 could appear normal with an IV <11

 

[Oglemi]

I think all of Wigglytuff's stats should be looked at, it just seems far bulkier from what I've seen playing through the game.

 

[Gerard]

Somebody reported in the XY Data a change in Ampharos' defense

<Noted>

 

[Thorhammer]

The only issue I have with that is that stats can appear the same given the right IV combination.
For example, a stat increase of 10 could appear normal with an IV <11

With careful IV checking, it could be possible to debunk that. It'd take a while, but if we want to be sure all the stats are correct, it's the only way...

 

[Toast++]

It would require multiple tests of every single Pokemon with specific known IVs from a reliable source. That seems a bit out of reach, to be honest.

Instead, I'd like to take the "it stays the same unless proven otherwise" would work best.

Technically speaking, it is much easier to disprove something than it is to prove something.

 

[Soul Fly]

best recourse imo will be to wait till December when PokeBank opens up, we can all transfer our flawless RNG'd mons and check for exact stat change variables for the original mons.
till then Toast's "it stays the same unless proven otherwise" mechanic can remain in force if we manage to manually weed out pokemon with stat differences.

 

[Zalfi]

I don't know by how much, but it seems Azumarill received a boost to SpAtk. Currently at Lvl 45, mine has 63 SpAtk with <31 IVs and 0 EVs. According to Gen V numbers the maximum possible SpAtk at lvl45 and 0EVs is 56.

 

[UltiMario]

best recourse imo will be to wait till December when PokeBank opens up, we can all transfer our flawless RNG'd mons and check for exact stat change variables for the original mons.
till then Toast's "it stays the same unless proven otherwise" mechanic can remain in force if we manage to manually weed out pokemon with stat differences.

Friend Safari guarantees a few perfect IVs. For the Pokemon rumored to have stat changes, you can just catch a Friend Safari version of that Pokemon until you get a perfect IV for the stat in question.

 

[Toast++]

Either way will work. We'll handle getting the adjusted stats, this thread is just for reporting the affected pokemon.

 

[Stellar]

Wigglytuff receives +10 SpA. No other changes.

Butterfree received +10 SpA. No other changes.

 

[imgty]

Someone from 2ch post these stat changes...is there anyone wanna verify these?

ヤドラン D80→D95 Slowbro Sp.D 80->95
ローブシン A140→A130 Conkeldurr Atk 140->130
ライチュウ S100→S110 Raichu Spe 100->105
ペンドラー A90→A100 Scolipede Atk 90->100
ユキメノコ C80→C90 Froslass Sp.A 80->90
メタグロス A135→A140 C95→C90 Metagross Atk 135->140 Sp.A 95->90
サザンドラ A105→A100 S98→S103 Hydreigon Atk 105->100 Spe 98->103
ガブリアスS102⇒104　C80⇒78 Garchomp Spe 102->104 Sp.A 80->78
ボーマンダS100⇒105　A135⇒130 Salamence Spe 100->105 Atk 135->130

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↓↓Thanks!

 

[UltiMario]

I'll test the frosslass and report back

Edit: 35 SpA Level 30 Snorunt evolved into a 53 SpA Froslass. This lines up exactly with its normal 80 SpA. The list is fake.

 

[Ballofire]

Ill test Chomp my gabite is 45 and has 31 IVs in HP ATK and Speed.

 

[Ballofire]

Seems like it was indeed

 

[LastFootnote]

Seems like it was indeed

Seems like it was indeed what? I'm not seeing the context here.

EDIT: Ah, you mean that list was indeed fake. Cool.

 

[Mario With Lasers]

Seems like it was indeed

You mean it wasn't, right? I'm getting those numbers with Garchomp's current base stats.


EDIT-- Oh, that it was fake. Ok then

 

[Ballofire]

I meant the list was indeed fake. The ATK and speed line up with level 50 31 iv stat distribution.

 

[LouisCyphre]

some reports of the list are still reliable. For Raichu's Speed stat is definitely 110.
Here is the proof.

You got, uh, hotlink-blocked. Try taking a screenshot of whatever you trying to link.

 

[MapleSandwich]

I have run into trouble trying to calculate my Azumarill's SpAtk stat a few times. I will check again with the IV calculator and come back. Would you like pictures of the Azumarill if it comes back erroneous with known base values?

 

[Ballofire]

I think someone confirmed in another thread about azumarils spatk going up a few points.

 

[LEGOAnimal22]

I have run into trouble trying to calculate my Azumarill's SpAtk stat a few times. I will check again with the IV calculator and come back. Would you like pictures of the Azumarill if it comes back erroneous with known base values?

This might not have any thing to do with stat changes, but weren't stat calculations supposed to change in these game?

 

[Thorhammer]

This might not have any thing to do with stat changes, but weren't stat calculations supposed to change in these game?

Most of the stat calcs so far have been consistent with what we know. There have been rumors to the contrary, I'm sure, but there are rumors about most things.

 

[Yamato-san]

Would anyone be willing to test Silcoon and Cascoon? I'm curious to know if both of their stats are still exactly the same as one another.